JOE McGINNISS

Is it illegal to get someone else’s DNA tested?

not at all. Anyone can request a DNA test – for example you could get discarded items from Palin family members and send them to Stanford (they do cat DNA testing for breeders). It costs about $65 – you can also buy an OTC DNA test in a lot of stores.

The catch is you need to get DNA off of something discarded – a straw, gum, garbage.

Mr. McGinniss, did you try to get a copy of TRI-G’s birth certificate when you were in AK? I think anyone can get a copy for a small fee. Please, someone in AK try to get a copy.

A birth certificate for Trig is NOT important. One does in fact exist but it proves NOTHING at all. Adoptive parents get a birth certificate that looks just like any other birth certificate from that state. I have no doubt Palin adopted Trig but asking for or accepting a birth certificate as proof of her being the birth mother is pointless.

In most U.S. jurisdictions, at the time the adoption is finalized, the child’s name is legally changed, and the court orders the issuance of a new, amended birth certificate for the adopted child. This amended birth certificate:
• replaces the name(s) of the biological parent(s) with the names of the adoptive parent(s), and
• replaces the child’s birth name with his/her new name.
The original birth certificate and other documents relating to the adoption are sealed, and are generally not available to parties to the adoption, as detailed in state law in the U.S.
If an older child was adopted the year filed would be a dead giveaway, but Trig was adopted at birth so there would be no tell –tell signs. Some” states do show “as if born to” rather than “born to” but Alaska is not one of them. Also, because adoptions are private this type of court case never appears in a database like court view.

The reason this is SO IMPORTANT to note is that one day she will use that birth certificate to try and prove she is the birth mother and then people will think she’s been telling the truth all along. Don’t aid her in that.

The ONLY way to prove Trig isn’t her birth child is to
1. get your hands on the adoption records – which will never happen,
2. get a DNA test
3. Have the birth mother come forward – which again I doubt will ever happen because chances are the birth mother doesn’t have a clue who adopted their child. The only way they would is if it was a private behind closed doors adoption and that alone would prevent them from coming forward since the agreement would contain a confidentiality clause or because it was an illegal adoption. Or
4. see if Sarah’s medical records list 5 “live births” but all things considered I’m not sure that would be enough proof because it seems Palin has CBJ by the short and curly’s so who knows if she would falsify medical records or not.

Joe, I’ve got to say it…I’m loving your blog!

As for me, I not only want to see Trig’s birth certificate, but $arah’s supposed B.S. degree.

I am not jokin,g as I did read that the degree she earned was a B.S. not an M.A.

Well, remember when Sarah dearest was refusing to release her medical records? Why didn’t she, is it because it could show this:
1) She had a tubal ligation procedure after 4th child
2) She has only given birth to four children
3) She has had an abortion
4) She has had plastic surgery
5) She has had an STD

Regarding the Tubal ligation remember this great post by Gryphen http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/02/frank-baileys-manuscript-and-how-it.html
It’s a long post I know but towards the end you will find this gem
FYI — I read this ‘comment’ a couple days ago:

“Whoever gave birth to Trig, it couldn’t be Sarah. Remember, she had said that she ‘not only had her tubes just tied, she had them cut, and the ends burned – or some such measure to make SURE she wasn’t going to be having more babies.

“Didn’t she have it done during the delivery of piper??

“All of us who have kids that went to school with Sarah’s kids know to be absolute factual gospel truth: Sarah Palin had a tubal ligation after her last baby (Piper) was born.

“She then took several days off work- more than she took when she “had” Trig. She bitched at Todd afterward saying HE should have gotten the snip since it was so much easier for men.”

“Trig may actually have BEEN born at 7.5 months….but he wasn’t born in April ’08, and he sure as HELL did not issue forth from the tied, cut, and burned fallopian tubes of Sarah Louise Heath Palin.”

Read on in the post because there is MORE!

Come to think of it I saw on a blog, it could be IM, but she called some press conference and it is clear as day she wore some body suit under her coat to appear pregnant. There was this unusal hump on her back and more importantly. I’ve been around many pregnant women (although I have yet to become pregnant) but pregnant women has a famous waddle when they walk, Sarah palin had none of that. I watched a Dennis Zaki video where she gave a speech at some Republican meeting regarding change of leadership in the party and towards the end of the video when she walked off stage, she did appear bulky, however she doesn’t have that waddle in her walk, she walks normal! Also, in another video in a discussion about women in politics (that’s when she spoke about Hillary should whine so much) she sat with her legs crossed while leaning forward. Aparantly this was when she was suppose to be heavily pregnant!

She IS pandora’s box, she just doesn’t know it.

This is much ado about nothing.

Palin made it clear she believes Obama was born in the USA, all she said in response to a question is basically that there are reasonable questions people want to know and if Trump is willing to throw his money into it and investigate it, more power to him.

As for the comparison between Obama and Trig. There is a huge difference. Let’s say for argument sake that Trig is not hers. What difference does it make? Are there any legal implications? A constitutional crisis? Just because you want to see the Birth certificate doesn’t mean that she has to show it to you. The only argument is that she lied. So she lied. It’s not illegal to bring up someone else’s child and say it’s yours. And if you’re argument is that she’s a liar and therefore shouldn’t become president, you have the option not to vote for her. And even if she win the presidency and it comes out later that Trig is not hers it doesn’t make any difference other than that she lied.

With Obama however if he wasn’t born in the USA it creates a constitutional crisis.

Spanx?

About 2 weeks ago at IM, Gryphen had written a post that had absolutely nothing to do with Sarah. For some reason, the “older posts” button isn’t working for me. Anyway, amongst all the comments that didn’t mention Sarah, some flying monkey or Palin or Heath posted a comment basically saying she probably didn’t give birth to Trig, but so what? He’s part of the family and happy and thriving and yadayadayada.

Then I remembered a while back, I believe it was before the big shake-up at PalinGates, that there was a plan at some point for Sarah to come “clean”, and admit she didn’t give birth to him. She was going to spin some sob story to make herself out to be the hero. I’m starting to wonder if that plan has been revived. She and her cult seem to be drawing a lot of attention to it. She knows the “lamestream media” has been ignoring it. Maybe she wants them to start digging, so she can accuse them also of “trying to destroy her family”. Then she can be a hero AND a victim.

Ok, this is just another example of the strategy she’s employed since day one. She defies the rumors and fact checking of her record by defiantely bringing it up and mocking the person/organization that brings it up.
Palin is one crazy grifter and I personally believe she has mental health issues. However, she’s also brilliant when it comes to fleecing the American public. I also believe the true story behind Trig is yet to be told – we’ve only speculated on the possibilities and in my opinion he belongs to her daughter and Bristol has produced at least 2 babies. The thing that horrifies me the most is that so many of us have been trying to unravel the complicated lies and stories while this woman continues to be relevant – when in the history of this country have we ever seen the likes of this insanity?? McCarthy? There are a lot of people involved in the cover-ups and should be prosecuted – as she should – first charge should be fraud. I’m so glad Joe entered this circus with his mightly pen!! 😀

As everyone knows (or should know as a condition of citizenship) for most, U. S. citizenship does not depend upon WHERE they were born, but TO WHOM they were born. If one or both parents are citizens of the U.S., their children are also citizens of the U.S. regardless of where the parents were living at the time of birth.

For example, the rumor that Sarah Palin was born in Canada has no relationship to her citizenship status, unless neither of her parents were citizens at the time. The same is true for John McCain, who was born in Panama.

There are a few people to whom citizenship is conferred if they are born in the U.S. of non-citizen parents.

I believe Palin WAS chosen by God to become the VP candidate in 2008 but NOT for the reasons she thinks. In my opinion I believe her presence on the national stage was met to shine a spotlight on the real issues we still face today. Such as racism, gender discrimination and religous extremism. I paid attention to that election in a way I’ve never done before. And nobody can deny the impact she’s had on us since. Not in a good way. I’m ashamed of Americans today. I know we have so many complicated issues and there’s no easy answers as a society. But even the issues with immigration laws – I thought America was supposed to be a beacon of light, of hope and open to those that seek democracy and liberty. When did we become so hateful and despise those who seek our borders for a better life? As I said, I DO understand it’s a complicated issue – not enough jobs, etc. But I feel deep sorrow for how heartless we’ve become. And I support my President – but people like Palin and her ilk have relentlessly attacked him and his WIFE for gods sake. The underlying racism is beyond offensive. And how about the likes of beck and limbaugh and Joe Miller?? Beck actually blamed Japan for the awful earthquake and tsunami – OMG! These far right hateful racist and bungling idiots do NOT represent me or the best of America. And the sad situation in WI and Walker – his outrageous treatment of the unions and the damage that’s done to all of us – and walker’s record shows a dishonest and self seeking piece of crap with a double standard. When did our standards drop to this dismal level that we would even pay attention to the likes of walker, palin, miller and coulter, etc.
I’m so glad we have people like Joe Mcginnis that can expose the truth and not be afraid to do so. Sorry for the long rant – I’m just so dismayed by the outrageous things we put up with today. Where is America going?

When I was in college I took a criminal law class. The professor posed the question, “If you were driving along a deserted road, basically in the middle of nowhere and found a bag holding a million dollars would you take it? Keep in mind, no one will ever know. You will never face any sort of charges or investigation, do you take the money or turn it in to the closest police station?” Of course the majority of the class replied they would take the money. He then asked, “Would you still take the money if it were in a bank vault, guarded heavily, and there was a very good chance you’d be caught and arrested?” Most people said no, it wasn’t worth it. That he said was the difference between a normal person’s way of thinking and a criminal’s mindset. We weigh the consequences of our actions, a criminal believes they are smarter, better, and in a way deserve the riches they desire and attempt to gather. Mrs. Todd Palin always reminds me of that class scenario, the way in which she truly seems to believe she is better and more deserving than anyone else on the planet, any crime is worth it to serve her desires. I’ve said it before, for the right money she’d eat Trig on stage.

Narcissists don’t realize when they’re wrong, that’s why she’ll promote the Obama birth certificate issue because she never feels any sense of danger or guilt. This is why we’ve never heard her admit that she’s wrong about something, because in a narcissists’ mind they are always right, always above the laws that others live under, always better than everyone else.

Thanks, Joe for helping to expose this mentally ill phony for what she is. Can’t wait for your book to be released. But please rethink that cover design! I can understand you want it to look different than Dunn’s book, but right now it looks like a novel. And we don’t want people to think this is fiction!

I believe Palin jumped on the birther train for one reason. Trump is getting lots of attention lately and she is not.

I don’t believe she has any impulse control and that she is incapable of looking ahead to measure the consequences of a particular course of action.

Going on the judge’s show to yap birther twaddle yesterday? Hey, suddenly she is in the news today. She just can’t grasp that the long-term consequences to her doing so may actually be negative to whatever political, celebrity, or career aspirations she might have.

As an example, look at the budget issue. Bachmann and Huckabee despise Pres. Obama as much as Palin does. But they can grasp that to have put out reckless statements such as Palin did (her demented last-minute tweets), could have detrimental effects on their long-term plans. They can see that walking away from one battle can enable them to be around for a bigger, more important battle down the road. Palin can not grasp that at any level. She is essentially a two-year old in that respect.

“spent two million dollars to not show his birth certificate”

Just out of curiosity, how did this particular talking point begin? For one thing, Obama has shown his birth certificate – certainly what the state of Hawaii has verified.

What would the supposed $2M go for? Who’d he pay it to? When supposedly did he “spend” it? Where do they get this cockamamie story from?

I think it speaks to her mental illness. She has something to hide and she just can’t help but spill the beans. Keep in mind how often she uses projection; she’s always accusing others of her own inadequacies. My husband’s ex has NPD, and she would do this all the time. These folks think they’re being so clever but the crazy just spills out all over the place.

Palin has embellished her lie… She has woven an extravagant narrative and adventurous tale of the birth of Trig, promoting herself as the valient saver of motherhood, itself….gag me.

I am convinced the reason Palin can’t even show a birth certificate is because Trig’s date of birth is not 4/18/2008. Even if she legally adopted him and got the certificate showing that she is his mother, it has the wrong date. That photo of Chuck in the hospital hallway with a baby does NOT show a child born within the last several hours.

So true. Sarah is constantly telling on herself. I don’t know if its hubris or the behavior of a disturbed
child who thinks they are invisible and anything they do or say is beyond everyone’s understanding.
Creepy.

My personal favorite was “As the Stomach Turns”.

10% of Republican voters will NOT win a National Election. I also doubt whether any of the professional Presidential Campaign Committees will choose to work with her. They are a very close knit group and they talk. Steve Schmidt made it very clear that many would NOT work with a candidate who cannot take orders or who doesn’t NOT possess the capability of LEARNING even with 5×7 notecards.

She has a terrible reputation in DC – these people who do this for a living won’t touch her. The only ones who might are RAM and LittleTimmy in the Well!

Actually that discussion has been around for quite awhile and is very believable. Especially the Tubal Ligation – they DO cauterize the ends during the procedure .. and it is easier for men but easily done during delivery. I have always believed this to be a very plausible thing for her to have done…plus let’s face it, she is no spring chicken.

As far as Bristol, maybe someday she will learn that putting out doesn’t really mean you are popular. She apparently has a long record of being indiscriminate and unable to function without a man/guy. She is immature and spoiled. She is sad in my opinion / she will never be happy or successful because she can do nothing on her own. There will never be any type of accomplishment in her life.

Personally I feel very sorry for Bristol – she never really had a chance in life. Having a lot of money isn’t happiness…

Awesomely stated.

I don’t know if Joe allows swearing on his blog / but the story apparently was pulled out of her a**.

Yes, I understand your point. But I would say it is very important for this reason.
If it is true that she has faked the birth of a baby, one has to ask, why? Why should anybody fabricate such a hoax? And the next question is why wouldn’t she simply admit that she had some personal reason for lying to the public about the baby?
I can assume she cannot because whatever she is hiding is worse than being caught in a lie- even one as silly and outrageous as this..or because she doesn’t want to lose the sympathy that being a parent of a baby with DS provides her.

Alternatively she cannot just admit it because the public would know that if she is willing to fake a pregnancy, the voters might start asking what other things she has lied about in her race for fame. In the end, what kind of person would do such a thing? What on earth could be their motive? And shouldn’t this, at least, give intelligent people a very good reason for rejecting this person for the position of leadership? Personally, I think it is important because it suggests a deep rooted dishonesty or some kind of mental disturbance.

Alaska BC for adopted children look exactly like all BC. In Alaska they do not say amended or anything else. They are identical to regular BC’s.

I still believe in Occam’s Razor, ie, the simplest explanation is probably correct. $arah adopted a baby that belongs to someone close in the family, and revealing that adoption would have focused attention on that ‘someone.’ The baby could be Todd’s, Track’s, or Bristol’s – who knows, but she must have felt that her political chances would have been eliminated by a baby that resulted from a liaison by that someone.

Then what about the “Big Show” of TriG coming out of the Mat-Su hosp? How would she explain THAT is TriG was born in Anchorage?

The 2 million claim has been around for a long time and has never had any merit. Trump brought it up again recently and now Palin is tagging along as well.

Constitutional crisis? I think not. His mother was an American citizen so he could have been born on Mars (or in Panama) and still also be a citizen.

You may be on to something. She spent several days preparing her video; the script, the “presidential” setting, the timing (before the president’s!) etc. It wasn’t a spontaneous off-the-cuff interview, but carefully planned to show herself in a wonderful light and the President in a negative light as a poor after-ran to her speech.

The reaction to her speech was overwhelmingly negative, while the reaction to Pres. Obama’s speech was overwhelmingly positive. Her narcissism won’t allow her to consider the reason why he received praise and she not only wasn’t praised but was condemned. I think it truly stunned her into shutting her piehole until she could repress the experience sufficiently to start squawking again.

I felt the same way during the election, and feel the same way now. So many things that I’ve seen and have always bothered me are now being expressed everywhere. It is really painful for me to see what has happened to our country. I only hope that there are enough of us to keep the far right extremists at bay and that our next generation will change everything for the better. We have to hope.

Agree. She gets a little rush from flying close to the flame. It’s like when she brings up the “Trig Truthers” or claims that she released the birth certificate (“which we have done”) — she gets charged up by tempting fate.

I have come to believe that she actually believes her lies and projections, which is as sad as it is dangerous.

People are complicit with this behavior for the following reasons:

1. Fear – of retribution for speaking the truth.
2. Greed – monetary/power gain, such as with FOX news or those working directly for her.
3. Christianism – those who have elevated her to a divine status, believing their god is speaking through her.
4. Anger/Paranoia – those who hate the government as sinister and out to get them, as in Dominionists.
5. Fantasizers – those who endow her with attributes they desperately wish she had – like kindness, etc.

Just my opinion/observations.

Yeah, that was the Newsweek interview with Janet Napolitano in L.A., conducted by Karen Breslau March 4, 2008, the day before Palin announced she was 7+ months pregnant. Palin wore black pantihose and high heels as well as her funereal black suit disguise– can you imagine how her NON-PREGNANT stomach was compressed with the elastic top of the pantihose + crossing her legs + leaning forward in her chair?

This is the real story.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/01/whats-obamas-birther-legal-bill

Of course the wingnuts have twisted this story into something completely unrecognizable and something sinister (woooOOOooo).

Well, even if this is her plan, she’s a fool if she thinks that lying over and over (and in print) won’t hurt her chances no matter what cockamamie story she cooks up. And double that, if she thinks that researchers won’t jump in with both feet to pick apart the newest version of her life. And this is important, I think, to come up with a new story about TriG, she will have to throw somebody under a bus. Todd or RAM or a doctor. There is no other way around it; Somebody will have to be sacrificed if she has a plan to lie her way out of this.

The people closest to her at this point had better be collecting as much protection information as they can because this window of opportunity to come clean about what they know and what they can prove is quickly closing. Coming out now with the Palin secrets would make you a hero but wait a couple weeks, and you are just a partner in grift.

The funny thing she can’t keep her stories straight anyway and I have very little confidence that Sarah (and her quirky entourage of worshipers) could ever keep their stories straight. My question has always been this: how exactly does she hold these lies together? What hold does she have over those people to keep them from telling what they know? Is it fear? Money? Power? I suspect it is something related to the dark force of evil.

Sarah lying about Trig means any or all of three things. First, it’s a judgment issue. She picked a very elaborate hoax rather than adopting her daughter’s baby and asking the public to respect the birth mother’s privacy. Why do things the hard way? Bad judgment. Second, it was bizarre to think that she, a sitting governor, could actually get away with it- and she didn’t: there were stories right from the start that she wasn’t pregnant. Many people simply don’t believe it, no matter how many pictures she’s had scrubbed from the Internet. Not only does she tell the lie, but she repeats it and adds to it and changes details. Bizarre. I’d like my President to be a little mentally healthier, thank you very much.

Finally, it’s not a legal issue but a moral one: the sheer callousness of using somebody else’s special needs baby as a means to garner votes. To use him, and not even provide adequate care for him. He was prescribed glasses and we don’t see him wearing them. He should have been getting therapy when he was on that damn bus tour with Sarah promoting her book, and he couldn’t have been getting what he needed. At this point, she’s traveling a lot and can’t be seeing much of him- if she were his mother, I’d like to think that she was cuddling him and working with his therapists and, you know, MOTHERING him. Presidents use people: they have to. They have to give orders. I’d like to think that the person giving the order has a little more sense of the worth of a human than Sarah has demonstrated. Because she’s treated Trig as a slightly inconvenient convenience.

Cypress, I understand why you’d say that, and no disrespect, but her endangering a pregnancy that didn’t exist is not the real issue. That aspect of the whole lie is just a distraction. There are a lot of ‘ifs’. If she was in another state, why did she consider an abortion, if she’s pro-life? If her water broke, why didn’t CBJ tell her to go to a hospital, or not say anything? The ‘if’ questions only count IF she was really pregnant with Trig, which she wasn’t. She didn’t fly pregnant and she didn’t give her speech pregnant. She didn’t risk anyone’s life, Trig’s or her own.
I think the real issue is why she would fabricate the lie (pregnancy announcement, Wild Ride, presentation of Trig as preemie, continued talk of pregnancy and birth with changing of details, etc.) in the first place.

Why did Sarah Palin pretend she was pregnant with Trig, and that she gave birth to him, when she wasn’t, and didn’t?

ps. Thank you for this blog, Joe. All the best to you in your endeavors!

Obama has spent very little on defending himself in lawsuits. Of the 66 or so lawsuits involving eligibility, only 3 required Obama to personally defend himself. The others were against various state and federal officials claiming Obama (and McCain) were ineligible to be on the ballot or were ineligible Electors. These suits were paid for by the named parties, not Obama.

Suits filed after the election have been defended by the Department of Justice. None of the cases ever survived a Motion to Dismiss, many were dismissed without requiring a response from the defendants. In a few cases, the defendants were awarded costs, each under $1000. Law suits are cheap up to that stage — depositions, discovery, and trial are where the real money racks up.

What about Track?

Go ahead and rant.I completely agree with you.I feel it’s finally coming to a head.This blog is a great comfort.

Even if SP comes up with either a forged or an air-tight birth certificate, it still would not explain the multiple photos that show her body absolutely contradicting any possibility that she could have given birth as stated.